Redskins draft history, good or bad?

- Redskins draft history, good or bad?

Spike Smith Reputation:97 Level:Superstar Since:Oct 7, 2008
	November 15, 2009 9:38 pm Score: 156
	If the Redskins lose and end up with a great Draft choice they'll only give it away for a player who is older and near the end of his career... or worse his career is already over... The Washington Redskins are the only team in the NFL that has not taken an Offensive lineman *within the 1st or 2nd round of the draft since 2001, that's a long time and it shows.*.. A good organization generally builds from the ground up.. You get players in the draft to fill in for players who are hurt or leaving due to getting old or just can't play anymore. Our Offensive Line is way beyond that. The Redskins don't believe in that theory, or depth of a postion. Yes there are a few players you can get that will make an immediate improvement, but I don't think the Redskins are interested in such. They feel you can buy whom-ever, or one whom-ever and it will fix the problem. But then that player gets hurt... It's a rare season that a player doesn't get hurt and miss one or two games, in certain postions. At least hindered because of a lingering injury and doesn't perform... I think we've all seen that. What it does show, the front office hasn't been planning for such... Getting any youth for this team within the Offensive Line or other postions isn't a normal deal for the Redskins. Granted there are players needed all over this team, but is one high draft pick going to fix the problems. I do think a decent QB who can adjust to the NFL will be a great start, but how long will they last when getting hit 10-14 times a game...and HIT not hurried. Then, is there one out there who can adjust to such and win? We've all seen the one year wonders, but none of them are doing to great this year and they have a decent line along with a sound running attack. Then Stafford and Sanchez? Would they do any different then Campbell with this Offensive line? Maybe, maybe not An example, I don't think Aaron Rodgers will be around long...he took a BEATING today and is still walking, not sure about talking, but for how long, and it's every week? They have a decent QB who could be great if he had a decent Offensive line... I honestly don't think Farve would have lasted 1/2 a year in a Green Bay uniform...if he came back to Green Bay. He was one lucky fellow... Do we have any decent R/B's for next year and into the future? How about W/R's, Moss and Randle El? You think Thomas and Kelly can handle it? If you have a good Offensive Line you can do a lot, or at least a lot more, just look at the Bengals... This team needs to look at it's foundation and build on it for the future. If they don't will be here looking for those once in a while wins and continue to keep saying we need this and that... It would be nice to see them start to build, eventually we'll be able to enjoy the years that used to be. Just another thought, and I could be wrong.
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- Redskins draft history, good or bad?

WhatsaMattaYou Reputation:82 Level:All-Star Since:Nov 3, 2009
	November 16, 2009 12:54 am Score: 296
	Great post. I definitely agree with you about the Redskins needing to build from the ground up. As it stands with their tackles, Chris Samuels looks to be done, and it would be nothing short of a miracle if he came back to play in his pro-bowl form. Levi Jones is an interesting prospect, for the first time in years, he is HEALTHY, and when he was he was healthy he was a pro-bowl tackle. I'd like to see what he can do this year playing LT, and it might turn out the Skins found a diamond in the rough. Stephon Heyer isn't panning out the way the Skins had hoped, I think they can look in the draft for a tackle, and it definitely needs to be in the first round or second round. At LG, they got Derrick Dockery who is a solid player, but they should look into bringing in some competition for him via free agency. One of the biggest holes on their line is at Center. Casey Rabach is leading the nfl in penalties for centers, and has been average at best. I see them bringing in a great veteran lineman in free agency. There are going to be some big names available who are young players on the rise. A look at the 2010 free agent class includes: Jahri Evans-Saints who is 26, Logan Mankins-Patriots who is 27, Daryn Colledge-Packers, who is 27, Kevin Mawae-Titans C who's definitely in his years, but is one of the best in the Biz. Nick Cole-Eagles, who is 25, Marshal Yanda, Baltimore Ravens (24), Mannyl Ramirez, Detroit Lions (26) – Restricted FA, Deuce Lutui, Arizona Cardinals (26), Rex Hadnot, Cleveland Browns (27). They can go after a couple of these players, and they will soon have the HOGS again :) If they can solidify these holes on their line, then they will be a superbowl team. I don't see them keeping Campbell after the year, but hopefully can get a draft pick for him since he will be a RFA. So they would likely need a "stop-gap" solution in the mean time. Chad Pennington could be a good canidate, he's 33, and the Skins could go after him for a good deal. A couple other savy vets I like in the 10' FA class are: Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers (34)-could start for a lot of teams with his great awareness. Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions (32)-I think he can still perform well in the right situation. Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys (36), capable of winning games. They can go in this direction in the mean time, and try to develop a young qb. I'm curious to see what happens with Colt Brennan, he did show promise but his window appears to be fading quickly on being a franchise QB. Ultimately, the Redskins need to build their foundation and get a QB who is more aware of things than Jason Campbell. I'm still pulling for the Skins to win more games this year, and heck who knows maybe Campbell can salvage his career by winning. lol
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Spike Smith Reputation:97 Level:Superstar Since:Oct 7, 2008
	November 16, 2009 2:01 am Score: 149
	*A look at the 2010 free agent class includes:* *Jahri Evans-Saints who is 26,* Logan Mankins-Patriots who is 27, Daryn Colledge-Packers, who is 27, Kevin Mawae-Titans C who's definitely in his years, but is one of the best in the Biz. Nick Cole-Eagles, who is 25, Marshal Yanda, Baltimore Ravens (24), Mannyl Ramirez, Detroit Lions (26) – Restricted FA, Deuce Lutui, Arizona Cardinals (26), Rex Hadnot, Cleveland Browns (27). They can go after a couple of these players, and they will soon have the HOGS again :)** Nice, any 4 of these guys would be a nice addition... One can hope along with a few decent draft choices, if we have any left and what we do end up with, we can hope for an Uncapped Season... At least one year it would be interesting... I just wonder if they uncap it, will they turn around and then put a cap back on it and if so what will they do... Too much to worry about now. Fixing the Offense line can't hurt and if it does give whoever the QB is a few more seconds maybe they can get the ball down field and see if we do have any receivers left, along with opening a few holes for a R/B to get through. Still worried about Running Backs, guess you can't get everything, at once...Mabe Betts, Portis, or the new guy Quinton Ganther is around long enough to find out what he has. He didn't look too bad in the few plays he was in. He can block we did find that out..
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skinsSince72 Reputation:82 Level:All-Star Since:Sep 21, 2009
	November 16, 2009 2:53 pm Score: 177
	Great post. I definitely agree with you about the Redskins needing to build from the ground up. As it stands with their tackles, Chris Samuels looks to be done, and it would be nothing short of a miracle if he came back to play in his pro-bowl form. Levi Jones is an interesting prospect, for the first time in years, he is HEALTHY, and when he was he was healthy he was a pro-bowl tackle. I'd like to see what he can do this year playing LT, and it might turn out the Skins found a diamond in the rough. Stephon Heyer isn't panning out the way the Skins had hoped, I think they can look in the draft for a tackle, and it definitely needs to be in the first round or second round. At LG, they got Derrick Dockery who is a solid player, but they should look into bringing in some competition for him via free agency. One of the biggest holes on their line is at Center. Casey Rabach is leading the nfl in penalties for centers, and has been average at best. I see them bringing in a great veteran lineman in free agency. There are going to be some big names available who are young players on the rise. A look at the 2010 free agent class includes: Jahri Evans-Saints who is 26, Logan Mankins-Patriots who is 27, Daryn Colledge-Packers, who is 27, Kevin Mawae-Titans C who's definitely in his years, but is one of the best in the Biz. Nick Cole-Eagles, who is 25, Marshal Yanda, Baltimore Ravens (24), Mannyl Ramirez, Detroit Lions (26) – Restricted FA, Deuce Lutui, Arizona Cardinals (26), Rex Hadnot, Cleveland Browns (27). They can go after a couple of these players, and they will soon have the HOGS again :) If they can solidify these holes on their line, then they will be a superbowl team. I don't see them keeping Campbell after the year, but hopefully can get a draft pick for him since he will be a RFA. So they would likely need a "stop-gap" solution in the mean time. Chad Pennington could be a good canidate, he's 33, and the Skins could go after him for a good deal. A couple other savy vets I like in the 10' FA class are: Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers (34)-could start for a lot of teams with his great awareness. Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions (32)-I think he can still perform well in the right situation. Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys (36), capable of winning games. They can go in this direction in the mean time, and try to develop a young qb. I'm curious to see what happens with Colt Brennan, he did show promise but his window appears to be fading quickly on being a franchise QB. Ultimately, the Redskins need to build their foundation and get a QB who is more aware of things than Jason Campbell. I'm still pulling for the Skins to win more games this year, and heck who knows maybe Campbell can salvage his career by winning. lol Great post. A great offensive line makes most key offensive ball handlers better. We need to concentrate on building our starting offensive line and our debth from free agancy and the draft. Our offensive line is our main weakness and the offensive line is where greatness begins. HAIL!
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reddskinns73 Reputation:49 Level:Rookie Since:Jan 4, 2008
	November 16, 2009 5:14 pm Score: 76
	your draft history came and bit you on your a$$ 2 sundays ago when phillip rivers drove the length of the field and merriman getting the sack. 2 great players for that retard Eli Manning.
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Posse87 Reputation:96 Level:Superstar Since:Mar 26, 2008
	November 16, 2009 5:56 pm Score: 140
	Can we at least agree to this? If we had: Levi Jones, Derrick Dock, Free Agent, Mike Williams, Free Agent going into 2010 pre-season (Reserves: Rinehart, Heyer, Montgomery, FA, FA) I'd love to get 2 stargint FA in the offseason from this list this way we can still draft 1 early in April and groom them. Plus gives us leverage to trade down in the draft, pick up a solid QB or lineman (pick up another 3rd round pick), and draft Gerhart out of Stanford in the 2nd round. He may slide into the first round however, someone like the Patriots late 1st round will probably get him because they draft smart every year Anyone see that kid play? wow - what a great ball player. He is the Wes Welker for RBs, productive, not flashy and smart! Love to see an Olineman drafted first, Gerhart 2nd round and assuming we trade down in 1st round grab a QB (there will be plenty out there to get) or another Olineman if we nab a veteran free agent to play 1-2 years until.
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Spike Smith Reputation:97 Level:Superstar Since:Oct 7, 2008
	November 16, 2009 6:31 pm Score: 131
	Look what the cat dragged in, Again,,, Jints you really need to get a life... I kind of feel sorry for ya Jints, You can't write anything on the Giants or the NFL post... OH well I'll say something to make you feel better. The Giant's draft deals are worse... Check it out, then to grab a 'winer' like Eli,,, Who could play with such a winer. "I don't want to go to the Chargers, if I go I won't play"... It was a great sight to see Rivers bomb that over rated Defense... and Eli whimpering on the sideline... Give the baby a WIPE... Eli would do great in a Baby Wipe Commericial, I can't think why his agent hasn't gotten him one... I heard Archie took it so hard, Eli's comments on he wouldn't play with the Chargers, he had Eli's pass code removed from his house... He can always adopt another son...
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uptownskins Reputation:92 Level:All-Star Since:Nov 8, 2009
	November 16, 2009 8:27 pm Score: 17
	when it comes 2 the draft... they should trade all their 2-6th round picks for 7th rounders and get jii like 20 picks.....lol just kidding... -this franchise needs 2 learn how 2 build from the draft and DEVELOP TALENT!!!... they also need 2 blow up the roster and front office...get people who can judge NFL potential (especially in late round 5-7) and free agent picks and build dis tea correctly
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thatlsk Reputation:95 Level:Superstar Since:May 31, 2007
	November 20, 2009 1:59 pm Score: 80
	The Redskins draft history over the past 10 years or so is pathetic. Only decent players drafted under the Danny Boy era are Lavar Arrington, Chris Samuels, Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor and that's really all I can think of.
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- Redskins draft history, good or bad?

MrRound Reputation:95 Level:Superstar Since:Apr 18, 2008
	November 20, 2009 2:43 pm Score: 97
	thatlsk that is your problem you try and think and you don't have a brain. Try going to Oz and asking the kind man behind the curtian if he has one for you. The Redskins do not draft all that well and they trade so many draft picks away that we don't often have enough picks. We need a real GM that can evaluate talent and build a team through the draft. GO SKINS!!!
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thatlsk Reputation:95 Level:Superstar Since:May 31, 2007
	November 20, 2009 3:59 pm Score: 109
	thatlsk that is your problem you try and think and you don't have a brain. Try going to Oz and asking the kind man behind the curtian if he has one for you. The Redskins do not draft all that well and they trade so many draft picks away that we don't often have enough picks. We need a real GM that can evaluate talent and build a team through the draft. What are you even talking about. I just said the Redskins draft are horrible, so then you turn right around and agree with me by saying they never draft well and then you make comments saying I need a brain. Pot meet kettle. Only a person who has no brain like yourself would try to insult somebody and then turn right around and agree with them. Please seek professional help for your issues. Thank you.
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WVBeachBum Reputation:94 Level:All-Star Since:Feb 7, 2007
	November 21, 2009 1:27 am Score: 62
	Draft, what's that?
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- Redskins draft history, good or bad?

O. J. Reputation:88 Level:All-Star Since:Dec 9, 2008
	November 23, 2009 6:24 pm Score: 101
	Are you kidding me? we need to draft a QB with our first pick. All you JC worshippers need to take your blinders off and stop kissing his ***. He is the worst human being on the planet and you know it. You're just afraid of calling him that because he's black. Sorry, just kidding. Just had to do my crackerman22 impression (because he is a total moron). First 2 picks O-line. 3rd pick RB and sign Chad Pennington. Also sign a lineman entering his prime. Then draft a QB next year
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thatlsk Reputation:95 Level:Superstar Since:May 31, 2007
	November 24, 2009 2:18 pm Score: 141
	Here are my answers for this week 1. Which is more troubling: the Bengals losing to the Raiders , the Steelers losing to the Chiefs , or the Cowboys hanging '7' on lowly and beaten-up Washington? I’m definitely not forgiving the Bengals or Steelers for losing to two of the worst teams in the league but the NFL while having teams who are clearly better than others is still a crap shoot and I hate to sound cliché but on any given Sunday any NFL team can beat another. The Cowboys on the other hand are showing a pattern of stumbling and they aren’t changing anybody’s minds by barely beating a very poor Redskins team that was filled with injuries. The Cowboys are one of the most disorganized 7-3 teams I have ever seen. Jason Garrett and Wade Phillips appear to be on two different pages when it comes to how the offense should be run. You have defensive coaches and players getting into shouting and shoving matches. Tony Romo has done little to prove that he can play well deep into a season. He has a history of starting fast and finishing slow and has shown the past two weeks that is continuing into this season. Miles Austin has all but disappeared and the Cowboys are struggling to score points. After last week’s games there are more questions about the Cowboys going forward than any other division leader. 2. Considering preseason expectations, which "Matt" has been the most disappointing... Matt Ryan , Matt Cassel or Matt Hasselbeck ? Even though he’s played the best football of the three, I would have to say the most disappointing of the group is Matt Ryan. Going into the season, most people expected the Chiefs and Seahawks to be in the bottom half of the league, the Chiefs especially are in a rebuilding mode. The Falcons on the other hand after having a great year last year were expected to contend for the NFC South title and be a factor in the NFC playoff race. A lot of the hopes for the Falcons this year were based on how well Ryan played last year but this year I think he’s taken a step back. While he’s on pace to throw more touchdowns then he did last year, he’s also on pace to throw more interceptions. In his last 6 games, he’s thrown 10 interceptions, so there is no huge surprise the team is 2-4 over that stretch. His lack of protecting the ball is a huge factor in why the team is 5-5. At the end of the season his numbers will be the best of the group but his mistakes will also cost his team the most. Therefore he’s the most disappointing. 3. You're the GM of the Bears , which issue has you most flummoxed/disappointed: Jay Cutler , Love Smith or the defense? Jay Cutler would have to be the most disappointing because the Bears gave up so much to get him expecting him to be their franchise quarterback. When you give up 2 1<sup>st</sup> round draft picks, a 3<sup>rd</sup> and Kyle Orton to get Jay Cutler you expect him to deliver more than 15 touchdowns and 18 interceptions. The only problem was they put their hopes behind a quarterback who has never shown he was a franchise quarterback. While nobody would deny Jay Cutler is more talented than Kyle Orton, Orton has actually been more successful in his career. Orton is 27-15 as a starter and has been to the playoffs; Cutler is 21-26 and has never been to the playoffs. He didn’t win in college, he hasn’t won in the NFL and the Bears didn’t understand before making the deal that it takes more than a strong arm to be a franchise quarterback in this league. The defense lost its leader in the first game, Lovie has at least shown he can coach at a high level, Jay Cutler was supposed to push this team over the edge and make them legit contenders and all he’s down is make mistakes over and over.
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