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griff57 Reputation:95 Level:Superstar Since:Feb 22, 2007
	October 6, 2009 12:34 pm Score: 143
	With the total lack of production once again from our dynamic duo of 2nd round recievers, when will Zorn give Marko Mitchell a shot? Could he really do any worse at this point? Kelly 6-65 yards starting in 4 GAMES! Thomas, a big 1-7 yards...TOTAL!!! Is it the fact that putting Mitchell in would validate to everyone else that these two clowns were a mistake and word from on high (Vinny) is to play these guys regardless so as to not admit yet another draft blunder?? I don't know what's happening in practice...but these guys couldn't get open in a game if their defender fell down it seems. Either that or JC doesn't see enough separation to risk throwing their way. The bottom line is if we can't get any production out of the #2 spot, teams will continue to roll towards Moss. Throwing to Cooley will only get you so far... Just look at Dallas right now. They are in somewhat the same situation with a majority of the passing going thru their tight-end and it hurt them against Denver. (not that a mind Dallas having problems!!) Anyway. I'd like to a least see Mitchell get some PT so we can at least see if the pre-season he had was a hoax or if he's a player...something that we really need right now!!
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District of C 9 Reputation:97 Level:Superstar Since:Aug 17, 2009
	October 6, 2009 1:20 pm Score: 118
	AMEN BROTHER. I would love to see some Marko Mitchell. I see your point, and as crazy as it sounds, you are probably dead on with Vinny and Danny. Maybe Danny didn't pick up Marko in his fantasy league and another owner drafted him just to keep him on the bench, litarally and figuratively. We've been mixing it up, shaking it up, and all sorts of other nonsense all season according to Jimmy Z, but everything looks the same. Why not let Devin Thomas return a punt? Let Anthony Alridge have a carry or two or take a screen pass? Why not put Marko in there in the red zone and let him run a fade? Geez, he caught a horrible pass from Colt Brennan in the pre-season and took it into the end zone. More scratching of the heads of the fans...which leads to more pounding of the fists on the coffee table on game day. GOOD POST. HAIL!
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ke101 Reputation:97 Level:Superstar Since:Apr 4, 2007
	October 6, 2009 2:36 pm Score: 85
	I agree with you both why not give Marko Mitchell some quality playing time. Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas have not shown much to this point. If the Redskins have shaken things up I sure have missed it. HTTR
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Qwix Reputation:98 Level:Superstar Since:Sep 18, 2006
	October 6, 2009 5:09 pm Score: 117
	If rookies weren't meant to play then they shouldn't be getting those huge contracts from being high draft picks. I think that a rookie can be a game changer and a threat right out of college if he is smart enough to learn the playbooks and mentally tough enough to ignore all of the hazing/berating crap that they go through. As far as the Redskins WRs go, If Thomas and Kelly can't produce then I say heck yeah to giving Marko Mitchell a shot. I can't put all of the blame on Kelly and Thomas though because alot of the problem is that Campbell is not finding them or doesn't have time to find them when they do get open. Our O-line, QB, and WRs all need to get it together asap or it will be another long season of high blood pressure and colorful language on Sundays...
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TheHoggs Reputation:97 Level:Superstar Since:Oct 8, 2007
	October 6, 2009 8:53 pm Score: 154
	The real problem with Marko Mitchell and Anthony Alridge not being on the field probably has to do more with them not knowing the plays then dan not drafting them in FF. The other issue is the Redskins are only allowed to have 47 active on game day and since marko was the 52nd player and alridge the 53rd to make the team who do we sit on game day to activate them. Marko and Anthony are going to have to shine during practice for the coaches to feel the need to activate them over keeping an additional lineman active.Marko is the fifth receiver and alridge is the sixth hb/fb. The only way one of these guys will get a chance is for them to prove their worth during practice and a possible injury to one of the starters. Now with that being said I would love to see marko atleast made active for a game or two along with alridge. The skins would then have to put one of the current starters on the inactive list but this could be a good thing. I am a firm beleiver in competition bringing out the best in the players. If you can never feel complacent you will keep striving to make yourself better. The switch at SS with Reed Doughty and Chris Horton is going to make our team better. Chris is now going to work his butt off to try and get his starting position back while doughty is going to work his off trying to keep the job. I can think of a few second round picks who need some stern competition to get them motivated to learn how to play at this level.
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District of C 9 Reputation:97 Level:Superstar Since:Aug 17, 2009
	October 7, 2009 12:28 am Score: 128
	The Hoggs said: 47 active on game day and since marko was the 52nd player and alridge the 53rd to make the team who do we sit on game day to activate them. The Hoggs later said: I can think of a few second round picks who need some stern competition to get them motivated to learn how to play at this level. Phenominal job answering your own question there big guy. Right now, does it matter whether or not Marko Knows the play book? Really? Malcom Kelly was thrown at once on Sunday that I can remember (and it was picked off). Every completion went to Santana Moss or Chris Cooley or the running backs. So Malcom Kelly can be over there doing a cartwheel and he's not getting the ball anyways. Why not let Mitchell in there? And give this kid Alridge a shot too. If we have a four wide look it normally includes Cooley anyways, so realistically we dress 4 wideouts...3 will see passing routes at any given time, and 1 will see the ball. Let the kids on the field. If there is talent, develop it. If not, dump it. NFL Talent is milk, not wine. You have to use it when it's fresh... if you don't know what I mean, look at Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber and the begining of the end of our very own Clinton Portis. HAIL!
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griff57 Reputation:95 Level:Superstar Since:Feb 22, 2007
	October 7, 2009 7:44 am Score: 124
	and the begining of the end of our very own Clinton Portis. District of C 9 Yea, this is sadly becoming an apparent fact. Portis has lost a step. In the past, he would break the hole, hit the sidelines and be off to the races. Now he doesn't seem to have that extra gear that set him apart. I like to think it's just injuries and it will heal, but I'm more incline to think he's on the downside of his career. It is the reality of being an NFL running back. There is a short window of maybe five to seven years of productivity, then the tank is empty. We have done nothing to face this reality in getting some breackaway speed back there. This puts even more pressure on the passing game when they don't fear your running game.
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ke101 Reputation:97 Level:Superstar Since:Apr 4, 2007
	October 7, 2009 10:18 am Score: 130
	Heck other teams do not fear our running game or our passing game. Other teams do not fear us in any way. We are a very poorly run football team with no threat of any kind. Clinton Portis is hurt and is not able to carry the load. I agree he use to look motivated to hit the hole, this year he does not. We do not have another back that is going to be able to carry the team. Jason Campbell and the passing game is a joke! Against the Bucanners JC completed two passes to WR's and threw three interceptions!! All of the rest of his completions were to TE and RB's! Please tell me what there is to fear from this offense? Ok maybe he had 3 completeions to WR's with out checking I am not sure however it was not enough! Same problem as last year and the year before, he can't find them and when he does he telagraphs where the ball is going. I do like the fact that JC hung in there and took many more chances in this game then he has in all of his past games however it was a poor performance against the worst D in the league! The Skins stike no fear in any one, in fact I would think most teams look forward to playing us as it should be an easy win and if you are a weak team you look to have a chance to win one because you know this offense is not going to score much. I am all for putting some starters on the bench and giving a guy like Marko Mitchell a shot to start. I would shake this team up at this point what do you have to lose? We look terrible and can not get any thing going so I am for trying some one who actualy wants to play. HTTR
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Hoghead_Gs Reputation:89 Level:All-Star Since:Jun 6, 2009
	October 7, 2009 11:40 am Score: 91
	I would bet there are plenty of teams that doesn't look forward to playing this O. We aren't scoring a bunch of points, but we are 10-10 in the JZ era, which means it's a 50% percent chance we will score just enough to win the game. That means every one of our scores is very important. That's why we need to stick with the players we start now, but at least let the young guys get 20% of the plays.
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Rootz-Cuz Reputation:98 Level:Superstar Since:Jan 8, 2007
	October 7, 2009 12:03 pm Score: 142
	The reason why Marko Mitchell isnt getting looks, isnt because hes a rookie( last year Devin Thomas was on the filed, so was Horton), its because hes like Randy Moss when he first came out. He dosent run clean routes, and he is more of a field stretcher and dosnet have the hands that Malcolm has. He also dosent have the understanding of the playbook that A.R.E., or Thomas has. And I gotta disagree about the "pro style off". Most teams are running more spread, and less teams are running the spread. Thats why def. players are more hrybrid players comming out. I would like to see Marko and Santana on the field at the same time, and having Malcolm in the slot to take advantage of his size, and hands underneath. The biggest problem Ive been seeing is that our Wrs dont get any seperation, and that was my biggest fear with Malcolm Kelly. Didnt think that he could seperate from NFL corners and im not seeing it now. And as for Devin he was a project anyway. I think hell be a late bloomer like Roddy White. This may be why Jason was forcing passes to Santana that he would never have tried last year. LLCCJGs
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griff57 Reputation:95 Level:Superstar Since:Feb 22, 2007
	October 7, 2009 2:12 pm Score: 135
	I would bet there are plenty of teams that doesn't look forward to playing this O Hoghead I'd advise you to stay away from Vegas or Atlantic City with wagering logic like this. We are 27th in the league in Scoring. We are averaging a whopping 14 points a game!, The four teams we just played averaged giving up 25.8 points between them.. this includes the Giants who are on the low end giving up 16 points a game.. Our next opponent, Carolina has been giving up 29 points a game after playing Phil, Atl, and Dallas. I think your best bet would be to assume that the Panthers would more likely have our game circled as an opponent that they are looking forward to playing right about now. In fact, the scariest part about looking at the Redskins league stats right now is knowing that any positives you might pull from them on either the offense or the defense has to take into account the fact that three of our first four opponents SUCK! .
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Hoghead_Gs Reputation:89 Level:All-Star Since:Jun 6, 2009
	October 7, 2009 3:06 pm Score: 118
	I didn't say I would place a bet, but it is a crapshoot. If teams had a choice of either playing our O or let's say det O, of course they would want to play vs ours. Though, that's not the choice. They have to play Phi and Dall last year. Guess what? We outscored them in 3 of the 4 games. It's not as if the O has trouble moving the ball (15th this year), it's just that we cant finish. It's TOs, penalties, dropped passes AND bad throws that have each taken scores away. I believe we can fix it this year. What we also know is that teams will have a difficult time scoring 20 points. We're in nearly every game that a couple of big plays on the O (like the dall, no, ari, phila games) turns the game in our favor. That's why teams will take us seriously. Just not as seriously as a high-powered O.
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griff57 Reputation:95 Level:Superstar Since:Feb 22, 2007
	October 7, 2009 4:08 pm Score: 112
	They have to play Phi and Dall last year. Guess what? We outscored them in 3 of the 4 games. HogheadLast year is just that...LAST YEAR! Sorry, it doesn't count for much this year. What we also know is that teams will have a difficult time scoring 20 points And you base this on the fact that we've played the Rams, Lions, and Bucs and held these dogs of the league under 20?? Wait till AFTER the KC game, when we start playing DECENT teams before you start making blanket statements Teams will take us seriously when we beat a couple of GOOD teams and score over 20 points or more doing it! Until then, I'll leave the overly-optimistic statements to you and take a wait and see attitude. HTTR
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jakpot1277 Reputation:99 Level:Superstar Since:Nov 26, 2006
	October 7, 2009 4:15 pm Score: 137
	I have been at both home games this year and Kelly is getting separation, but Campbell is either looking elsewhere or not putting it on him right. I believe Kelly and Campbell still haven't developed a rapport, which is resulting in Campbell underthrowing him (like the first INT against the Buccaneers) or looking elsewhere even when he is open. Kelly ran a seam route and had no one within 4 yards of him when Campbell forced one into Moss for the INT. Also, I really think that Campbell has a hard time throwing a timing pattern or putting any air under a ball to let his receiver get under it. Even the bomb he threw to Moss last week was very flat and therefore had a much smaller margin for error. He probably recognizes that, so he checks to guys that are sitting in open spots in the zone, and just lasers it into them. Kelly just may not be running those kinds of routes. I've only noticed Mitchell in the game once in the two home games (against St. Louis) and he fell down after some contact while running what appeared to be a simple go route. I too would like to see him get some PT, and especially within the 20-yard line, as I think he has better body control and positions himself better than Kelly has shown. As for Alridge, the talk on the radio is that Zorn is afraid to use him because he doesn't "trust" him. The Skins games have all been close ones and perhaps the emphasis for this team, since we won't be blowing anybody out, is ball control and not turning the ball over. Alridge is smaller and may be more prone to fumble the ball as a result. At some point, Zorn may choose to be less cautious and see if he can get a big reward (explosive runs) in exchange for the higher risk, but it sounds like that won't be in the coming weeks.
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Rootz-Cuz Reputation:98 Level:Superstar Since:Jan 8, 2007
	October 7, 2009 4:27 pm Score: 128
	Um no, Kelly is covered like a baby in a crib. Im glad you went to the games. But when you see the replays, and commentators are saying it, its not happening. And maybe there is no "rapport" because the guys always injured and cant practice. You get that rapport in OTA's, and practice. Something he has barley been healthy for. I dont think he trusts Kelly, and from what Ive seen he has no reason too. And what good is a jump ball guy with no knees...who cant seperate. And thats another thing why bring back Alridge, if you dont trust him too touch the ball? And where the hell is Devin Thomas?
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District of C 9 Reputation:97 Level:Superstar Since:Aug 17, 2009
	October 7, 2009 4:58 pm Score: 126
	Where's Devin Thomas? He was beaten by "no knees" and is the 4th WR. I thought we'd see more of him in the return game, but it seems Danny Smith doesn't want to hang it out this season....or he is being forced to keep it medium, one of the two. Rootz, I've watched every game and I have yet to see anyone say anything about Malcom Kelly being covered. The best defender for the other teams defense is Jason Campbell's timidness to throw the deep ball. Hopefully after last week his balls dropped and he'll let it rip a bit, but the only thing cover Kelly up like a baby in a crib is Jason's Arm. That third pick to Talib that he threw to Santana Moss, yeah, if that is the seem route that the guy earlier was talking about....Malcom Kelly was wide open, bro. I agree, why bring back Anthony Alridge if you aren't going to use him? He's been back now for over a week, so maybe we can get him in this week, let's hope so. What I am hoping for as a result to the "fresh set of eyes" that Vinny has given us, is that Sherman Lewis comes in and "suggests" that if players aren't producing, let them watch from the sidelines. Put one of these young guys in here and lets see if he's an overachiever that we can benefit from. Heck, what do we have to lose? HAIL!
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griff57 Reputation:95 Level:Superstar Since:Feb 22, 2007
	October 7, 2009 5:05 pm Score: 129
	And thats another thing why bring back Alridge, if you dont trust him too touch the ball? Roota CuzGood point....Look, we have two games coming up with what looks to be less than talented teams. After that, it gets tougher. This needs to be the time that we get all the screw-ups, bad calls, dropped balls, etc..behind us and to also find out who can play and contribute and whose just taking up space. You would think that was what we were suppose to do in pre-season, but apparently this isn't the case here. Given the four games we've had so far, what do you have to lose by putting in some "hungry" players? Where's the accountibility on offense?? It seems to have worked on the defensive side with the switch from Horton to Doughty. If JC just "trusts" Moss and Cooley..then we've got a long season ahead. Without more viable options, it makes it REAL easy for defenses to key on us don't you think?
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Hoghead_Gs Reputation:89 Level:All-Star Since:Jun 6, 2009
	October 7, 2009 5:26 pm Score: 88
	Last year is just that...LAST YEAR! Sorry, it doesn't count for much this year.I guess feeling that you can beat the team, because YOU HAVE BEAT THE TEAM doesn't count for much either. Last year we heard how we couldn't beat these tough teams and high-scoring Os until we beat them. Just because you're in panic mode doesn't mean I have to be. And you base this on the fact that we've played the Rams, Lions, and Bucs and held these dogs of the league under 20?? Wait till AFTER the KC game, when we start playing DECENT teams before you start making blanket statements Teams will take us seriously when we beat a couple of GOOD teams and score over 20 points or more doing it! Until then, I'll leave the overly-optimistic statements to you and take a wait and see attitude. HTTR I base it on the fact that teams have struggled to score against us. Last year we allowed 18.5 PPG. 7 gms (3-4) vs PO teams (gia- 6.5 Points Below Average, phi- 16 PBA, ari- 9.7 PBA, pitt- 1.3 PAA, balt- .1 PAA) we allowed 17.6 PPG. That means we hold good teams under their avg PPG. Is what I said really a "blanket statement?" Am I being overly optimistic? I don't think so. I'm looking at the body of work over JZs 20 games.
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griff57 Reputation:95 Level:Superstar Since:Feb 22, 2007
	October 8, 2009 10:04 am Score: 108
	guess feeling that you can beat the team, because YOU HAVE BEAT THE TEAM doesn't count for much either. Last year we heard how we couldn't beat these tough teams and high-scoring Os until we beat them. Just because you're in panic mode doesn't mean I have to be. Hoghead Again...this is an "apples and oranges" argument..Teams change from year to year these days in the NFL. Your record doesn't carry over from the previous year no matter how you want to paint it. I'm not in panic mode....just being realistic based on CURRENT 2009 SEASON results. That's how this coach, this team, this organization will be judged...If you are satisfied with a .500 team (either using your "Zorn era 10-10 or this years 2-2 record) then you and I obviously have different standards to measure success. We are averaging 14 points a game right now. We are giving up 15.5 points a game based on having played 3 out of 4 really bad offensive teams. This isn't panic, these are indisputable facts. When we play Philiadelphia and hold them to 15.5 later THIS MONTH,THIS YEAR, then I'll buy your argument, because it will be based on what just happened, not how it went last year.. Until then, lets see how it plays out before we break out the rose-colored glasses...
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